Talk:Samba rock

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Review: September 18, 2019. (Reviewed version).

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Requested move 2 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator, therefore, not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 08:47, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Samba rock → Samba-rock – preponderance of sources on the topic use the hyphen Dan56 (talk) 05:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Dan56 and BarrelProof: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:19, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: That seems more like an adjective form. See MOS:HYPHEN. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw request: @Anthony Appleyard:. Not worth the discussion; works without hyphen; onward to good-article review. Dan56 (talk) 09:06, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Samba rock/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 01:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I will reviewing this, I'll add comments in here in the next few days! Kingsif (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Style

Good overview in lead
Well written with standard grammar and interesting flow
Changed word "events" in Dance culture section to "genre", much more indicative and apt for subject and context
- No. Stick to source, which says it was a turning point for the party culture, not the music genre. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, thanks. I assumed (here, wrongly) that a turning point in the development re. dance parties would inevitably be a turning point when considering the style as a whole. Kingsif (talk) 15:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't appear to have a standardization of either "samba rock" or "samba-rock", which both appear. Both may be correct, but consistency through article would be nice.
- Hyphenated for adjective form. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
List of artists may improve with some contextualizing, but is good for GA purposes
"Reemerged" may not be the correct word in its context, it looks like it might be meaning "reborn" or just "changed", some synonym of those
- "Refashioned" is more accurate. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"...representative of this contingent in the contemporary MPB scene" isn't clear on whether Ben is representative of his era of music within the modern world, or of the genre altogether. More info is needed, and a more layman-friendly term to replace 'contingent' would be appreciated to aid average readers' understanding
- More info is not needed, just rewording to render the paraphrase more clearly. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Was it declared UNESCO World Cultural Heritage or just by Brazil internally? More info needed.
- Conselho Municipal de Preservação do Patrimônio Histórico, Cultural e Ambiental da Cidade de São Paulo Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks Kingsif (talk) 15:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Generally good writing throughout
Appropriate use of wikilinks to technical terms
Structured coherently, with focus on chronology
Fail needs some clarification edits
Now pass

Coverage

Lead good length for article
Comprehensive background in Origins section
Dance section seems short, but includes at least an outline of everything important; could improve with more detail
Musical development is almost entirely focused on Jorge Ben after the contextual intro. Is this all there is to the music side?
- There is a third paragraph, but yes, "samba-rock as a musical style is often attributed to Jorge Ben" (Ideologies of Marginality in Brazilian Hip Hop) Dan56 (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks Kingsif (talk) 15:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Article says the genre "reemerged" in the 2000s, without covering where it went (or indeed, that it did lose popularity at all) - missing info? Or is "reemerged" not the appropriate word (see style)
- "Refashioned" is more accurate. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should have more info on the modern practice, including more than a line on dance schools and being cultural heritage
- What it should have is defined by reliable sources. That being said, I've added a little more. Dan56 (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Though what it can have is defined by RS, GA's do have a standard set of criteria that would want the coverage to not be lacking if the information is known (which is assumed to be published in RS's), and as a non-expert I found areas where I felt the coverage should be more. Having said that, reading it now it seems good. Thanks for the updates :)
Fail - more coverage of certain areas recognized as needed
Now, pass

Illustration

Good use of relevant images
Good use of and reason to include music sample
Pass

Neutrality

Looks good
Pass

Verifiability

Well sourced to high quality RS
Pass

Stability

Few major edits, none in recent months
Pass

Copyright

Check is clean
Free images
Good fair use rationale for music sample
Pass

Overall

on hold - to respond to style and coverage comments. Kingsif (talk) 22:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding well quickly! Kingsif (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]